• Papabybike

    My first exposure to a double was on my salsa vaya. I liked the idea, but not the fact that you can’t lower a compact more than 34 tooth. Never happy with the vaya, but sold on doubles. I built up a rawland with the vo polyvalent crankset and I’m sold on a 46/30. I just wish there were other options than vo as they’re out of stock whenever I decide to order the 50.4 bcd ones. I’m out a crankset till their container comes in.

    For a smaller inner ring, check out harris cyclery.

    July 10, 2012
  • Just want to echo your excellent review. My crankset progression was racing double, to triple, to this one. I’m very happy. I thought the big ring size difference would make shifting a bit harsh, but it has been as smooth as anything I’ve ever experienced.

    July 10, 2012
  • Brian Ogilvie

    Papabybike: There are a couple of other possibilities for a wide-range double, though they’re more expensive than the VO crank. Compass Cycles sells a René Herse-branded 70mm BCD double, with chainrings from 24t to 50t. Peter White carries the Spécialités TA Carmina crankset, with an interchangeable spider; the 94mm BCD double will take a small ring as small as 30t and a large as big as 50t.

    July 11, 2012
  • Lee

    Russ, thanks so much for this post. I’ve been getting ready to build up a Handsome Devil as my do-most-everything bike – from some (most likely light) touring, to long day road rides with friends to commuting. Although I live in a not super hilly area now, I used to live in the PNW and thought that for touring sake alone I would definitely need a triple. But, this has me thinking maybe not?

    July 11, 2012
  • Papabybike

    I think for another option, surly’s Mr. Whirly can be set up with a similar range too. Most of the other options aren’t off the shelf solutions so you have to know what you want. And the cost often ends up a bit high compared to a basic compact double or triple. All that being said, I much prefer this setup and like having a low range as opposed to a 1x setup or a triple.

    July 11, 2012
  • M88

    Why have you switched back from your Bromptons to a full size bike?

    July 11, 2012
  • bigschill

    Another option is to scour EBAY for 94/58 bcd crankset, the so called compact mountain cranksets popular in the 80-90’s. Ritchey did one and Raceface, Specialized etc. They will take a 29T ring in the middle position.

    July 15, 2012
  • AP

    What bottom bracket length did you use?

    August 12, 2012
  • You can do 42/26 using the middle and inner rings of a 110/74 triple. Combine it with an 11/34 cassette and you have 103 to 20 gear inches. It takes the compact philosophy and extends it to lower gearing. I’ve used this “super-compacy” set up for years.


    August 31, 2012
  • Brian Simms


    It’s been a long while since I’ve responded to any of your writings. I started watching your progression into cycling back in 2009 when you were in the LBC. Glad to see you two are still going strong!

    Thanks for this review. I have a VO triple in a box waiting for a VO BB and a few other items before I do a major drivetrain refresh. I’ve had some concerns about going to a triple, plus it requires replacing more of the drivetrain than I’d like. I think I will send the triple back and get this double. The plan will be to match this with a Shimano XT 9 speed rear derailleur with a SRAM Apex 10 cassette and Ultegra brifter.

    I am doing a 6 day tour this summer from Crescent City to SF. The plan is to go light. Camping each night but no cooking. Last time I toured this section we ended up cooking only a few times. It wasn’t worth carrying the extra gear everyday.

    March 09, 2013
  • […] simply don’t exist in the mainstream cycling market, I was ecstatic. Having previously tried Velo-Orange Grand Cru cranks, I was sold on the wide-range double concept and was interested on Sugino’s take on […]

    May 12, 2013
  • Aaron Young

    Hi Russ,

    Thanks for this review. I read this review when you wrote it which is almost two years ago now. How about a quick update? Are you still using this crank set up? Any issues that have popped up over time? I keep planning on putting a wide range double on my bike, but never seem to get around to it. Thanks.

    May 15, 2014
  • Hi there Aaron,
    I sold the bike with the cranks a few months ago just to cull the fleet a little. The cranks were still working great. No problem. If there is any complaint, I prefer a slightly smaller large chainring. I’m running the Sugino Compact cranks with 44/30 and really dig that combo. Combined with a 12-36, I rarely have to shift out of the “big” ring except for steep climbs.


    May 19, 2014
  • Chris

    Thanks. Have been thinking about this crankset but just don’t trust the internal bb’s to last.

    I am thinking of buying a shimano road triple and one of their CX outer rings. Placing it in the middle position to get this range. I have compact setup and I find I am in the middle to lower half of my cassette most of the time.

    Figure the 46 would expand my use of the smaller spockets in the cassette and the 30 would give me slightly more low end. Running 11-28 7 speed right now but could see at 11-34 paired with that combo as the best range for the buck.

    September 23, 2014
  • Deepak

    Thanks. Nice review. Will this work with a 11 speed SRAM set up?

    February 27, 2016

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